Winchester Winchester Guns 1885 High Wall Hunter 6mm Creedmoor 1 28" Walnut Gloss Blued Right Hand $1,525.66 Winchester WGUN 535203229 M70 SUPER 264 WIN ** $1,253.64 Winchester Winchester Guns 513059493 101 O/U 12 Gauge 30" 2.75" Turkish Walnut Stk Nickeled Aluminum Alloy Rcvr Adj Comb $2,310.35 Winchester Model 1885 High Wall Target .45-60 caliber rifle. * Receiver – Steel; Drilled and tapped for I do wish the trigger were a little simpler. The vast majority of the Model 87s will be found chambered for the 22 SHORT cartridge, but a very small percentage were chambered for the 22 LONG R cartridge (less than 2% of the total production). The fact that he shoots a C Sharps High wall is probably the best endorsement there is. It is, I've read, next to impossible to have a whoopsie while manipulating the hammer on the low wall models, anyway. The First Variation: The production period for the First variation Winder Musket was from October of 1904 through December of 1911. Illustration courtesy of U.S. The front sight and forend stock on the Model 87 are identical to the Second variation Winder Musket, but shortly after production began, a transverse band screw was used to retain the barrel band versus a spring clip (that change was an Edwin Pugsley innovation to simplify production, and it was authorized May 6th, 19181). The Model 1885 has been chambered in more calibers than any other rifle in history, simply because the falling block design is the strongest, most time-tested and accurate action ever invented. Had a .270 Win, 30/06, and 300 Win Mag. It was a serious business. Totall. 53 receiver sight that is ordinarily found on the Third variation Model 87 low-wall Winder Muskets. Author Herbert G. House1 indicated that a total of 7,418 First variation Winder Muskets were sold from October 1904 through December 1907, and that sales from January 1908 through December 1911 totaled an additional 1,884 units. Coincidentally, Winchester also discovered that the accuracy of the rechambered Model 87s was poor due to the 1:20 rifling twist rate used for the 22 Short cartridge. Rifle has 95-97% blue and 80-90% case colors. one, a low wall which was stolen, was in 22 rf. It is new and unfired in original box with papers. I know of the 22 Hnt, 223, 45 Colt, and the 6.5x55 seeing the post above. You've fired up the 1885 bug in me again. M-1885 Low Wall. But I only use it sitting on stand where 200-300 yard shots are common. The shooting sticks were a personal project. Plain (non-set) triggers were standard, although a few examples of the First and Second variation were made with a single-set or a close-coupled set-trigger. ", "I used to have Bass rolling like thunder.........can't do dat no mo'.". The standard version of the High Wall was produced in calibers .22-250 Remington, .270 Winchester, 7mm Remington Magnum, .30-06 Springfield, and .45-70 Government. They are very well-made using up-to-date materials and incorporate features meant to maximize safety and improve accuracy. Average wood. Våbennummer. The earliest examples were predominantly equipped with the Hotchkiss rear sight, but the majority of them will be found with the Krag-Jorgenson sight. There was nearly an even split between the 22 LONG R. and the 22 SHORT cartridges when the totals for all three variants is included. As of this writing, I have not found one with an earlier date. Based on my own very careful and thorough research of the original Winchester factory warehouse ledger books, that production and sales number is not possible. All three Winder Musket variations were manufactured with a large shank, 28-inch round barrel, that was approximately the same size as a No. The second is serial number 121153, which is a solid frame. Regardless of which type of sight was used, it was mounted to the barrel several inches forward of the frame ring. Brian Chilson went from a C Sharps '74 to a C Sharps High Wall. The most noticeable difference between the First and the Second variation Winder Musket is the forend stock. Based on my personal experience and what I have observed in my travels, I believe that the estimated 2,130 production number is very close to the actual number that were manufactured. All 6 rounds shot to the same point of aim into a 3/4" group. 1 in .375 H&H Magnum - Duration: ... Winchester 1885 High Wall … The forend stock was retained to the barrel with a pair of barrel bands and spring clips (identical to the standard Model 1885 Musket), and it was not manufactured with the elongated finger groove found on the later variations. We buy, sell, consign and trade new and used firearms.We will pay finders fees and travel for large collections. The Model 87 featured a new style Lyman No. A scant few specimens in the 121100 – 121300 serial number range (early 1918) were factory equipped with the frame mounted Lyman No. "I like everything about my Winchester 1885 LW in 6.5x55.". Lastly, the steel wiping rod and the corresponding hole bored in the stock for it were omitted. These particular Winchesters are quite often passed over at most gun shows and by collectors in general, but they represent the undeniable Winchester craftsmanship, and they are truly excellent shooters. Gophers inside 200 yards were toast.... yeah, I've owned three Hornets and the Browning was easily the most accurate of the bunch. The Third variation Winder Musket is the only confirmed variation that was specifically manufactured for the U.S. Military. If you include the total production through the end of December 1911, the total Model 1885 production was 15,070 units, again with the vast majority of them being Sporting Rifles. The serial number range for the First variation is 96,600 – 112,500, but there are a small number of specimens that have been found on both sides of the expected serial range. Both have a 28-inch round barrel that is identical in all respects to the .22 caliber barrels, and all other observed features were identical except for the center-fire breech block and firing pin. I shot an early hornet when Browning was still the name on the gun. - 30 inches round barrel ( twist 1/32 '') : Stamp marking #3 + Winchester + 45-90 WCF + A inside circle . Apparently Winchester was toying with the idea of making a small-bore center-fire variant, but they did not follow through with the concept. ... Ruger No. SSAA Gun Sales has been designed to be Australia’s most comprehensive firearms and accessories trading website. It has a 28in octagonal barrel and will make a classic dangerous game single shot rifle. It was astounding!...excellent lithe rifle. As of this writing, I have 3,206 Winder Muskets listed in my survey. the other, a tangless 1885 Traditional Hunter, is in 45-70. It is heavy, muzzle-heavy at that. I have had 2 of the Browning/Miroku adaptations of the winchester 1885 adaptation of JM Brownings original design. The following table was presented by Herbert G. Houze in his superbly written reference book, “To The Dreams of Youth, Winchester .22 Caliber Single Shot Rifles”, 1918…………… 7,354 (includes 6,692 sold to the U.S. Government*), 1919…………… 5,010 (includes 4,627 sold to the U.S. Government*), 2,000 per contract 16363 of December 5, 1917, 6,289 per contract P3745-1549Sa of May 15, 1918, 2,000 per contract P10430-1903Sa of June 21, 1918, 1,000 per contract P11979-2051Sa of July 16, 1918. Both the First and Second variation Winder Muskets were listed and cataloged as a “.22 Caliber Single Shot Musket”. There were several hundred additional guns made up through late 1923, when Winchester finally ceased assembling them from remaining parts on hand and sold all of the remaining parts to R.F. I got the gun on sale at Gander Mountain, and they knocked a few more bucks off the price because it was the floor model with a few minor dings in the wood. You’ll look hard to find another one. ... Have been hunting some with a high wall in 375 H&H for the last four years or so, really love it. Today, Uberti makes 3 models of the 1885 High Wall.Like the original High Wall Winchester rifles, today’s guns are chambered in the classic buffalo cartridges of .45-70, .45-90, and .45-120. Its a Crosno-turned Winchester Special-Sporting pattern in a blank of antique Myrtlewood I found. Not sure if that applies to the 1885 High Walls as well. Operated by the Sporting Shooters’ Association of Australia (SSAA), it is an online service with free registration for SSAA members, dealers and the Australian shooting and hunting community, including firearm owners, collectors and enthusiasts. Copyright © 2000-2020 24hourcampfire.com, Inc. All Rights Reserved. Pibel. 1885 High Wall Safari Octagon 10/11/2011 08:03 PM | by Abbey Clary The Winchester 1885 High Wall Safari Octagon is a lever-action rifle chambered in .300 H&H Mag. Powered by Determined Idiots, A Quick and Dirty Guide: Military Krag-Jørgensen Rifles, The History of The Spencer Shotgun. Winchester produced nearly 140,000 Single Shot rifles from 1885 to 1920, and it was found that the falling-block Model 1885 had been built with one of the strongest actions known at that time. Winchester signed a contract with the U.S. Army in late 1917, and the first order (for 2,000) was let on December 5th, 1917. WIN 1885 HIGH WALL HUNTER.308 WIN 28"OCT BLUED WAL Additional Information Manufacturer Winchester 275 Winchester Ave Morgan, UT 84050 800-782-4440 www.win.esterguns.com Manufacturer Part Number 534112220 Item Number G534112220 UPC 048702015724 .. There were also a very scant few Model 87 Winder Muskets made for civilian sales that were chambered for the 22 LONG rim fire cartridge, and at least one specimen that was factory chambered for the 25-20 W.C.F. The production period for the Third variation was from January of 1918, to June of 1920 (when regular production of the Model 1885 Single-shot ceased). For the October 1904 through December 1911 time period, I have thus far verified that just 1,652 First variation Winder Muskets were manufactured and sold. This was done to reduce the distance between the rear sight and the shooters eye to aid in shooting accuracy. He told me a few years back that he felt he could hit more chickens with the High Wall than the '74 Sharps. I just get from a old french man a nice Winchester 1885 Hight wall caliber 45-90 W C.F . The normal serial number range is from 112,500 to 121,800, and again, there are a small number of specimens that will be found on both sides of the stated serial range. I think the main contribution of the current Browning/Miroku "Winchester" 1885s is that they put the strength of the old original High Wall into a Low Wall receiver. What calipers were the low walls offered in? The Miroku High Wall and Low Wall action designs are totally different and more complicated than the original Winchester 1885 actions. If we use the estimated total production number of 4,000, then extrapolate the number of Take Downs using the data I have collected thus far, the total Take Down production would have been approximately 2,130 units. center-fire cartridge. with a 28 Octagon barrel. Spencer, Syl H. Roper, and Their Pump Shotgun Designs: Part 1 of 3 (1833-1889), Chinese Copy of Maxim 1885 pattern Machine Gun “Transitional Model”. Had a .270 Win, 30/06, and 300 Win Mag. Unfortunately, the U.S. Government canceled the remaining contract orders due to the impending Armistice and the subsequent end of WW I, and as a result, Winchester decided not to pursue the rechambering project. Description: Winchester 1885 High Wall Safari 375H+H 28" octagon barrel with sights,new unfired in the box with papers. - No proof marks on barrel & receiver just marking under the tang PAT 7th OCT 79 … 1885) The Winchester / Browning Model 1885 High Wall Rifle. Great rifles, a bit nicer than the Rugers. The Second variation Winder Musket was also built on a high-wall thin-side frame, but exclusively with the coil-spring action (as marked with an “A” on the bitter end of the lower tang). The balance works well for that, and the weight (and nice pad) helps keep it pleasant to shoot. It also has a slight perch-belly shape, whereas the First variation is perfectly straight across the bottom. Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3. The top picture below is serial no. I had trouble with my trigger sticking so the hammer would not fall all the way when I was trying to fire it. If you own a Winder Musket, and are interested in participating in this survey, please see below. Model 1885 High Wall Hunter, High Grade ... Model 1885 High Wall Hunter, High Grade. Wow thank you. The Browning Model 1885 High Wall, produced from 1985-2001, was succeeded in 2005 by a new version marketed as the Winchester 1885 High Wall Hunter. The front sight pictured on the right is a milled steel ramp that is silver-soldered to the barrel. 375H&H MAG. $1,450 ea. Lauritz.com - Riffel, Browning / Winchester M.1885 High Wall kal. Instead of using a pinned blade, it has a standard 3/8” milled dovetail slot, with a No. I got one in 45/70 and love to shoot it. By Chuck Hawks. The bottom picture is serial no. repeater cartridge (serial number 121609, which is the third Winder Musket found in this caliber). Model 1885 - Current Production Model 1885 Rifles. Sedgley of Philadelphia, PA. For a reason unknown to this author, the Third variation was cataloged and listed by Winchester as the “Model 87”, but it is a Winchester Single Shot (Model 1885) in all respects. 107312, equipped with a Hotchkiss rear sight. There were undoubtedly a few additional First variations made beyond December of 1911 to use up the remaining parts on hand. We offer 90 day layaways with 20% down. Either in Low wall or a Winder musket high wall form. 1 “To The Dreams of Youth, Winchester .22 Caliber Single Shot Rifles” by Herbert G. Houze, All work copyright of the listed author. Very little in the way of new tooling was needed to manufacture the Model 87. 53 receiver mounted peep sight. In the following paragraphs, each variant will be discussed in further detail. I don't mind that you can't lower the hammer with your thumb all the way down to the fire position but would like a little more assurance that it would always fall all the way when I wanted to shoot the rifle. Miroku in Japan manufactures the 1885 High Walls and Low Wall for Browning and now Winchester (since they became a part of Browning). Illustration courtesy of U.S. It was simply much easier (and undoubtedly more cost effective) to mill a high-wall receiver frame down to the desired dimension and continue to use the exact same parts previously manufactured for the Second variation than it would have been to redesign a whole new musket. Current Products. Shot 2 rounds loaded with 125gr Sierra Prohunters that were touching each other. I also have a Browning Low Wall in 260 Rem, plan to deer hunt with it this season. This is our 45th year in business. Total production of the Model 1885 (all variations) from October 1st, 1904 through December 31st, 1907 was just 9,616 units, with the overwhelming majority of them being Sporting Rifles. Winchester's 1885 High Wall Hunter is a classic style single shot falling block lever-action Model 1885 High Wall rifle, crescent butt plate, checkered straight grip … According to my research of the Springfield Research records, many of those martially marked Model 87s ended up in National Guard units, College and High-school ROTC units, Railroads, and U.S. Coast Guard stations. Actual production began in early January of 1918. Rifle has a palm rest and Swiss butt plate. Wincheser 1885 High Wall (Win. The modern 1885 High Wall and Low Wall rifle designed by Browning Arms Co. and sold under the Browning and now Winchester brand names are manufactured by Miroku in Japan. If your rifle is used for hunting or Bought one in .325 WSM a few months ago and am ashamed to say I haven't even scoped it yet. Those same records show they were then later disposed of through the DCM in the years 1922 – 1942. These single shot lever-actions make up the core family of Model 1885 rifles currently being produced by Winchester Repeating Arms. MFG: 2006 Ships to Lower 48, $45.00 SOLD Manufacturer: WINCHESTER Model: 1885 HIGH WALL Serial Number: 00306ZM85A Caliber Info: 377 H & h Condition: NEAR NEW Barrels: 28 Unlike the traditional low-wall frame which was threaded for a small-shank (.845”) diameter barrel, the Model 87 is threaded for a large shank (.935”) diameter (high-wall) barrel. The table below is a summarization of all the Winder Muskets I have recorded in my research survey thus far: Finally, and for all of you interested readers, I am still conducting a statistical survey for all of the surviving Winder Muskets that I can locate in an attempt to recreate the destroyed factory records to the maximum extent possible. Second, Winchester still had a lot of leftover Winder Musket parts and tooling on hand (from the Second variation production). This moved the rear sight even closer to the shooter’s eye as well as increasing the sight radius, both of which helped to promote more accurate shooting results. Serial number 96701 is listed in the factory ledgers as being received and logged into the factory warehouse on October 24th, 1904, and shipped the same day. Of course Lil'Gun powder helped a lot, too. It was built on what would appear to the casual observer to be a low-wall frame, with a coil spring action only, and it was never offered in Take Down. Take Down frames were first offered starting in 1908, but they are rarely found on the First variation Winder Muskets. The total production number for the Second variation is estimated to be 4,000 units. Sorry to be so long responding to my own post. GUN COLLECTIONS WANTED FOR CASH! The Winchester .22 Caliber Single Shot Musket (Winder Musket) was first introduced to the shooting public in late 1904, and it remained in production until June of 1920. High Wall Hunter. Used Winchester 1885 High Wall Single-Shot 375 H&H, 28'' Octagonal Barrel, Walnut Stock, Talley Rings & Base, Minor Scratch on Left Side of Forend, Very Good Condition The rifle is a Winchester 1885 Short Hunter with a Weaver 1-3x scope. There is an area of very light surface pits on … 106046, equipped with a Krag-Jorgenson Model 1901 rear sight. Single shot lever-action falling block action featuring gloss blued 28" octagon barrel and action, oil finnish checkered ...Click for more info 24HR acts a bit oddly on my cell phone and wants to reload often for some reason. The serial number range is 121,800 – 139,700, but early in production, a fair number of guns were made using leftover high-wall frames in the 100,000 –109,000 serial range. This is basically the same rifle with a Pachmayr Decelerator recoil pad and satin stock finish. Auction:10705319 New in box Winchester 1885 High Wall Safari OCT. 375 H/H. The cartridge chambering was split between the 22 LONG R and 22 SHORT, with the 22 LONG R being an overall 3:1 favorite and the predominant cartridge chambering in the first half of the production period. Winchester is still making the Model 1885 in both High and Low Wall models. It featured a barrel mounted rear sight that was either a Buffington Hotchkiss style, or a Krag-Jorgensen Model 1901 military wind gauge sight. : 59,3 cm. Interested in finding a complete rifle, or an action in 22 Short, Long, Long rifle or WRF/WRM. Winchester scope bases and rings are a perfect addition to Winchester shotguns and rifles. It was available in the Take Down frame throughout its entire production period, and a very substantial number of them were manufactured with that feature. The Picatinny rail systems, scope bases, scope rings, and accessory rails are rugged and versatile to meet all your shooting needs. The Winchester/Browning Model 1885. To wrap this up and summarize, the manufacture and production of the three Winder Musket variations was quite significant for Winchester, especially when one considers that it amounted to nearly 14% of the total Model 1885 production. It has much nicer wood than the Winchester. It is very probable that the manufacture of the Model 87 Winder Musket for the U.S. Army was the direct result of General Pershing’s influence. Of the estimated 12,750 Model 87 Winder Muskets manufactured, 11,419 of them were shipped to the United States Army’s Springfield armory. The following ad was found on the inside front cover of Nov. 10, 1917 issue of Arms And The Man – the NRA origin of American Rifleman magazine. As I previously alluded to, the receiver frame of the Model 87 externally appears to be a low-wall, but in reality, it is a high-wall frame that was milled down to make it appear and function like a low-wall. The 1:20 rifling twist rate was not capable of adequately stabilizing the heavier 40-grain bullet used in the 22 LR. Two models were produced, the Low Wall and the High Wall. One notable difference is the fact that the Model 87 barrel was never drilled and tapped for a rear sight, whereas the First and Second variation barrels always were. Afstand til aftrækker. Total production is unlikely to exceed 1,800. Hi All, I just bought a single shot Winchester 1885 High Wall in .325 WSM to be used for elk hunting in the mountains of Colorado. 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